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Vikram Singh
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Lion in winter - Does it matter how a man falls?
Original from the movie: The Lion in Winter. Toby quotes it in the West Wing.
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West Wing- Bartlet's favorite movie The Lion in Winter.wmv
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Toby Ziegler doing what he does best.
Lion in winter - I know you know.wmv
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Gem of a dialogue. Prince Geoffrey to his mother Eleanor (Katharine Hepburn) in The Lion in Winter.
Dr Jared ball sent me
How quickly everything devolved. Henry was a good king and a good solider. Richard, a good soldier. John, neither.
I tried to like Toby, but…
Here! 🙋♂️
I got informed I will be laid off 12/8. This inspires me. I got to be a man of character and integrity. This moves me.
John Castle was handsome as hell 8 years later as Postumus Agrippa in the BBC production I Claudius
When we know a moron thinks he's smart. And he knows we know it.
I love John Castle. Such a great actor. Saw him in I Claudius, Inspector Morse...And a lovely voice.
Not for nothing, but the guy on the right looks a lot like Nathan Fillion.
Who knows what now?
"I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry knows, and Henry knows we know it. We're a knowledgeable family."
The line is "you chivalric fool..."
Given how the real Richard eventually "fell," forgiving the kid who shot him, and telling his men to let the kid go, and then they didn't... Yes, it matters.
Me
Misquoted - the actual line is “when the fall is all there is, it matters”.
So that’s where that came from
The men of Snake Island...
To the Ukrainian soldiers who died on Snake Island yesterday, they understood this assignment. May they rest in peace and their bravery be a shining light for others to follow.
You stupid or what? They did not die!! They surendered and were spared!
Obviously he's never taken judo
A brilliant summation of the essence of diplomacy! Or if you prefer, "Diplomacy is the art of saying, 'Nice doggie', while you look for a rock."
I thought it was the art of telling someone to go to Hell in such a way that they'd enjoy the trip?
@@InweTaralom That works as well.
I think it’s safe to assume that “The Lion in Winter” is one of Sorkin’s favourite films. I’m pretty sure he references it in another one of his works.
President Bartlet did have good taste in movies.
Elenore: Why did I have to have such clever children.
Eleanore: Why did I have to have such clever children. And John.
This movie plot in a nutshell.
Trump should watch this right about now
"By God, I'm 50, alive and a king all at the same time." reminds me of what Lord Marbury said in a later episode "That's the price you're paying for being rich, free and alive all at the same time."
Probably an homage, to the great 1968 film.
I think The Lion in Winter might be why Sorkin loves the phrase "for reasons passing understanding."
Great movie & nice to know you.
they don't write dialogue like that anymore.
He married out of love, a woman out of legend.
Actually, to me the best part in that movie was spoken by Henry II : My life, when it is written, will read better than it lived. Henry Fitz-Empress, first Plantagenet, a king at twenty-one, the ablest soldier of an able time. He led men well, he cared for justice when he could and ruled, for thirty years, a state as great as Charlemagne's. He married out of love, a woman out of legend. Not in Alexandria, or Rome, or Camelot has there been such a queen. She bore him many children. But no sons. King Henry had no sons. He had three whiskered things but he disowned them. You're not mine! We're not connected! I deny you! None of you will get my crown, I leave you nothing and I wish you plague! May all your children breach and die!
Magnificent verbiage. Timeless.
Utter bollocks.
@ do better
"Are you trying to tell me something?" / "No, Mr. President, of course not." The way in which Toby tried to remind the president of the moral compass, and the way in which the president knew that he was generally correct but didn't want to acknowledge as much was a fascinating thread throughout the series.
Toby's a smart puppy. He knows if he just Tells the president something, it won't sink in quite as much as if he believes he thought of it himself. Toby knows how to plant seeds, how to get people to take things to the conclusion he wants without even appearing to guide them that way.
@@TacComControl Toby could never have been elected President, but he would have made a hell of a good Chief of Staff.
I really loved this show. I miss it.
We all share your pain. Best show ever.
I knew it!
John Castle you are still remembered. Actually what the character says is a kind of re-hash of RD Laing. Interleshshtinc!
I came here after Chernobyl. "When the bullet hits your brain what with it matter why?"
I’ll do it if nobody else will…. “If the bullet hits my skull, what else would matter but why?”
The Lion In Winter was Game Of Thrones before there was Game Of Thrones...
Well, no. But it's a classic movie, due almost entirely to Peter O'Toole and Katherine Hepburn. The script is pretty good too. Taken almost verbatim from the Broadway play.
George RR Martin was trying to write historical fiction about that period and wound up writing GoT instead. Eleanor of Aquitaine is the template for Cersei.
GRR Martin based much of The Song of Ice and Fire on the Plantagenet Dynasty, which this was just the first two generations. So, yes, they played the game of thrones before a writer from New Jersey named it.
Well it does take place before he War of the Roses...
Joan Hickson's / Miss Marple's nephew in a couple shows! 😍😍😍
Now I must find an episode. 🙂
Sports Night. All day long.
Nope. Richard said, "When the fall is all there is, _it matters."_ No embellishment necessary.
Yes. Embellishment was necessary. Your opinion however, isn't. Until you can write a successful TV series.
No, it wasn't. And that's a cute little dodge, claiming that only scriptwriters have the right to an opinion. Following that logic, YOU don't have the right to approve of the scripts if YOU are not a scriptwriter. Since it's clear you're not, your view is just as "worthless" as mine. QED, Sparky.
Come on people, we can be grateful that we can enjoy both these masterpieces..
@@calilyricist24 Oh, you write for television?
I recognize that I'm a little late to this fight. But embellishment actually wasn't necessary here. It's generally considered very poor form to quote someone else's writing verbatim. Sorkin was a true adherent to that. There are dozens of film and television lines and quotes from political speeches delivered by others which appear in Sorkin works, and they are always paraphrased.
The perfect chancellor.
He is so good-looking, handsome. Very sweet smile.
He has great taste. It's one of my favorites, too. James Goldman's script is one of the best ever, and it's a phenomenal acting movie all around. O'Toole really should have won the Oscar that year. At least Hepburn got her just reward.
Always been one of my very favorites. I was glad when the newer performance with Patrick Stewart and Glenn Close came out. Beautiful writing like that deserves to be heard in more than one voice. I consider this play to be up there with the best, and the best always get remade over and over.
Who else is coming from the west wing
Me. Great movie. Movie trivia. A.Hopkins gives great credit to K.Hepburn look it up.
@@williammassey8514 I guess this is the movie where Hepburn had advised Hopkins that he didn't need to act and that he stop acting and let the camera do it's thing..
@@soumy1986 That he let her do all the acting. No I don't have a great memory. I looked up AH discussing KH & PO. Anthony does a great Kate impression. This is a "CLASSIC"!!!!
100%
Yessss!!!!
Probably the most well written movie in cinematic history
John Wells should not have made Toby a fall guy in something like this. It is sad because without Sorkin they ran out of Script. They spent virtually 2 years on the 2006 presidential election.
+Jacob Graham We got off easy, in the real world they spend 4 years on each presidential election...
@Ennio444 it is a more new English, American way said in TWW. Personally I like the version in TWW better
Because you are a half wit.
@@mikecostigan9913 sorry if it makes me a half wit, but this dialogue is memorable to me b/c of TWW. The fact that they make a point of saying it’s his favourite film. Toby starting the quote and Jed finishing it, draws your attention to that quote, makes you think about it more. The fact it means so much to a character we admire makes us take interest to it. Some people only sook out and watched this movie because TWW basically recommended it.
@@jimmy2k4o They also got the quote wrong.
@etomlins4 Agreed. Anthony Hopkins' Richard is magnificent. Everything about how he interacts with Henry is perfect.
John Castle is so wonderful an actor - I love him!
My favorite film of all time. Wonderful cast and script.